Seismologist Paul Richards teaches a course on Weapons of Mass Destruction at Columbia, during which he shows this amazing interview with a 1980s Richard Perle.

Perle—then Assistant Secretary of Defense and well on his way toward earning the moniker “Prince of Darkness”—is asserting the existence of “significant evidence that the Soviets have violated the 150 kiloton threshold” in the Threshold Test Ban Treaty, despite utter lack of such evidence.

The only clarification worth adding is DARPA and Perle did manage to dredge up two seismologists—Ralph Alewine and Thomas Bache—willing to claim that, based on seismic signals, the Soviets had tested a device in excess of 150 kilotons.

I recommend Alewine and Bache’s article in EOS: Transactions of the American Geophysical Union 64:193 (1983), coupled with the complete demolition of their arguments by Lynn Sykes and Ines Cifuentes in the Proceeding of the National Academies. The debate, more or less, turned on the equation for estimating yield from seismic signals at the Soviet test site.

A more readable account is the exchange of letters in Science between Alewin and Bache, on the one hand, and Sykes and Evernden that resulted from a symposium organized by Sykes, Archambeau and Everenden—all of whom appear in the KRON interview with Perle. [Full text in the comments.]

The great thing about this debate, by the way, is that we can now definitively say who was right and who was wrong. In 1988, the United States and the Soviet Union agreed to a “Joint Verification Experiment” or JVE where each side off a nuclear weapon in order to calibrate their respective test sites.

Analysis of the JVE, Sykes wrote with Goran Ekstrom* “substantiates previous conclusions about the sizes of past Soviet weapons tests and compliance with the Threshold Test Ban Treaty.”

Sadly, the Threshold Test Ban Fiasco didn’t keep Perle off the rubber chicken circuit or undercut his credibility when he was peddling later, more consequential sets of falsehoods and exaggerations.

The whole sordid story is laid out in exquisite detail by Gregory Van Der Vink in “The Role of Seismologists in Debates over the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty,” Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 866: 84-113.